Tulpa.info - tulpa-questions

Reisen

Tewi: Weird common misconception, that tulpas have to represent some part of your mind. A tulpa is just a person you create in your mind through intentful separation and belief, practiced over time until they're consistent and speak/act without feeling like you were responsible for what they said/did at all. (edited)

I think there is a bit of distinction between separate and equal

8:31 PM

But i think tulpas are possibly able to describe that whole range, since its used for the range

Rusty

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Read em, from my understanding it just seem like a separate personality

Reisen

Tewi: A sandcastle is much nicer with a bunch of strictly defined faces and edges than a pile of sand you loosely defined as technically a sandcastle. (edited)

From my learning experience those definitions only made me think "Am i really X?" "Do i fullfill the list of requirements for it to be X?" "I should learn X" when it doesnt matter, my experience doesnt need to be like yours, ill do whatever works and thats it. When i decided to do that is when i got real progress. Thats the problem i see with it.

entertain,me 😎

Read em, from my understanding it just seem like a separate personality

pretty much

Personally for me, I see it like adding new wiring to the same brain

Anyone could do that with enough time

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I don’t think tulpamancy is outside of our brains

Reisen

Tewi: People debate on the exact nature of tulpas, whether they're independently "conscious" from the host, or if they and the host just share one consciousness. While I believe in the latter, there is still undoubtedly unconscious processing in the brain of tulpas' thoughts that the host isn't directly aware of. Whether that's "A whole other consciousness" (which.. I don't think at all) or just unconscious processes in the brain is basically up to individual belief. (edited)

I think a better word would be awareness

entertain,me 😎

Anyone could do that with enough time

pretty much

Me and my tulpas all share a point of awareness

entertain,me 😎

Anyone could do that with enough time

That’s the point of this community

just because you can doesnt mean you should though

entertain,me 😎

Read em, from my understanding it just seem like a separate personality

Tewi: A separate personality + collection of individual feelings, memories, relations to things... And so on. And that can be interacted with in the brain as if they're another person existing at the same time. (edited)

I assumed it was just the "unconscious" we don't recognize

Having separate points of awareness is what i consider parallel processing

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Which is why I called it the "darkness"

8:33 PM

Not cuz it's evil of bad

8:33 PM

But because its unrecognized (edited)

There is a type of thoughtform that is based around that concept, but I know very little about them. they are daemons

Tewi: It's generally not some deeper-part of your brain, no. (edited)

Also, if you are defivivg a tulpa as simply separate from your conscious control, that can apply to the majority ofthings

While experiences with your tulpa(s) might reflect some subconscious stuff going on in your brain, it's not really specifically about or utilizing that.

Our “personality” takes certain routes in the brain. Having a tulpa is taking different routes that you don’t. I kind of vision it that way I suppose. Like new neurons that don’t belong to me but to each of them

Nico

Our “personality” takes certain routes in the brain. Having a tulpa is taking different routes that you don’t. I kind of vision it that way I suppose. Like new neurons that don’t belong to me but to each of them

What you just described was perspective

It’s not different perspective

No it is

It’s a different person inside the same brain

berockly (TTG)

Also, if you are defivivg a tulpa as simply separate from your conscious control, that can apply to the majority ofthings

Tewi: Consistent is a big part, they need to retain a sense of self over time, and be resistant to whims of imagination changing them on the fly and all that. Generally that's what the tulpa development process establishes, at the same time as the brain learning to have a tulpa (so you two can interact and all) in the first place. (edited)

berockly (TTG)

Having separate points of awareness is what i consider parallel processing

At the same time? I dont understand this...

Rusty

No it is

I should clarify I don’t think tulpas are different perspectives of the self. Sorry I’m not explaining clearly

If a different personality stems inside your brain that is still "you"

8:36 PM

Just a part that "deems" itself different

8:36 PM

But it's still you

Tewi: Parallel processing is easy to define, but that's pretty misleading, because it's also extremely rarely demonstrated to be real or learnable. Generally the only things people accomplish and call "parallel processing" can be explained as more mundane phenomena than truly splitting the brain's processing power (or, ugh, multiplying it). (edited)

Nico

It’s a different person inside the same brain

A person is "taking some specific routes in the brain to you"?

8:38 PM

It was perspective that you described.

8:38 PM

Tulpas are more than just another perspective though.

It's merely just a matter of perspective

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

Tulpas are more than just another perspective though.

Elaborate please, I'm actually curious

For me personally yes because what I’m envisioning in my brain makes sense. You’re free to disagree!

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

Tulpas are more than just another perspective though.

Well, it is another perspective + narrative you build arround it...

The tricky thing about this community is that everyone seems to see things differently. I know what it means to me and that’s enough

entertain,me 😎

But it's still you

Tewi: Plural hosts usually gain the understanding that what someone thinks of as "them" is really just a small part of the brain that has to do with sense of self and consciousness - and that most processes in the brain and body really have nothing to do with your sense of self at all, as "you" are really just a small part of it. A tulpa is another equivalent-to-you small part of it. (edited)

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If you can envision it, it's conscious, meaning that other person is still you

8:39 PM

You can't recognize the unconscious until the situation arises

8:39 PM

Like for example

Tewi: (They usually gain that understanding. Those that don't probably struggle with doubt of tulpas' legitimacy as people, and I have no idea how any of them learn to switch) (edited)

Getting upset over something you'd normally not care about

8:40 PM

Why?

entertain,me 😎

If you can envision it, it's conscious, meaning that other person is still you

And the whole universe is also you if i keep applying that logic

Not true

8:40 PM

Individualism is still a thing

You have to decide where the separation between you and other stuff is, and you CHOOSE that, its just a word.

entertain,me 😎

Individualism is still a thing

How would be a tulpa not an individual then?

Because in the end that "individual" is still you

why?

Why are you, you?

8:41 PM

You're actually asking that?

You are not talking about anything fundamental, you are just defining words as you like to reach whatever conclusion you want.

I'm simply trying to understand

8:42 PM

I just called out what I don't understand

Reisen

Tewi: Consistent is a big part, they need to retain a sense of self over time, and be resistant to whims of imagination changing them on the fly and all that. Generally that's what the tulpa development process establishes, at the same time as the brain learning to have a tulpa (so you two can interact and all) in the first place. (edited)

i think sense of self is the bigger part

Im trying to explain. (edited)

entertain,me 😎

Because in the end that "individual" is still you

Tewi: Again, you have the model of identity that thinks your sense of self and your entire body, brain, and all processes in it are the same thing. They're really not, and as well this view makes plurality impossible to interpret correctly. (edited)

8:43 PM

Your sense of self, what you think of as "you" is just a small part of the brain.

Reisen

Tewi: Again, you have the model of identity that thinks your sense of self and your entire body, brain, and all processes in it are the same thing. They're really not, and as well this view makes plurality impossible to interpret correctly. (edited)

They're really not

Again, there is no "really" here.

Reisen

Tewi: Again, you have the model of identity that thinks your sense of self and your entire body, brain, and all processes in it are the same thing. They're really not, and as well this view makes plurality impossible to interpret correctly. (edited)

That model of identity is simply "consciousness"

8:44 PM

The unconscious are the things you wouldn't bring to light or share

Anyways, me and my tulpas all share one point of awareness I view the poa the core of a person So when i switch, 'i' (the poa) does not change in any way shape or form Wesley (the personality i usually identify as) just stops thinking and i associate lynn (as an example) to myself

There is no right or wrong in this argument, we just dont agree on the definition of an individual.

Or even understand if you don't know yourself

8:44 PM

Then what defines an individual

entertain,me 😎

Then what defines an individual

A sense of self

Wesley (the personality i usually identify as) just stops thinking and i associate lynn (as an example) to myself

Tewi: You're talking in terms of both models of identity at the same time. That must be awfully confusing. It's easier to refer to the overarching "I" there as "the body/brain", since that's what it is. (The brain's consciousness, in this case) (edited)

(The ability to distinguish yourself from what is not you)

The thing about it, is not how we choose to define individual, is that the internal experience of tulpamancy is that suddenly some other thing starts talking to you and you dont decide what they say or when they do... And thus you DECIDE to define that as another individual because thats how individuals are often told apart.

Reisen

Wesley (the personality i usually identify as) just stops thinking and i associate lynn (as an example) to myself

Tewi: You're talking in terms of both models of identity at the same time. That must be awfully confusing. It's easier to refer to the overarching "I" there as "the body/brain", since that's what it is. (The brain's consciousness, in this case) (edited)

I like to take multiple views on things

8:46 PM

Thats why i end up combining them

berockly (TTG)

A sense of self

So parallel thinking and perspectives are able to define e their own sense of self?

Its not that they "really are you" or that they "really arent"

If that's the case it's still you

Reisen

Tewi: Plural hosts usually gain the understanding that what someone thinks of as "them" is really just a small part of the brain that has to do with sense of self and consciousness - and that most processes in the brain and body really have nothing to do with your sense of self at all, as "you" are really just a small part of it. A tulpa is another equivalent-to-you small part of it. (edited)

This is what I’ve been trying to explain and you worded it much better

entertain,me 😎

So parallel thinking and perspectives are able to define e their own sense of self?

Parallel thinking is just two identities thinking at the same time, not impossible, but i assume its rude

entertain,me 😎

If that's the case it's still you

‍♂️

entertain,me 😎

Then what defines an individual

Tewi: There are two necessary and different definitions. A human being is the body, brain, and all processes inside it. But your sense-of-self is what you actually think of as "You" in the context of your own mind, and that is much, much smaller than the actual entire human being. The default of most people is to identify their sense of self with their entire body, but that becomes a problem when trying to understand plurality... Because it's wrong. (edited)

entertain,me 😎

Then what defines an individual

What does for you?

berockly (TTG)

Parallel thinking is just two identities thinking at the same time, not impossible, but i assume its rude

That sounds like 2 sides of the same coin but longer

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

What does for you?

Well "me"

8:47 PM

I know.me best

Thats not a definition

entertain,me 😎

If that's the case it's still you

Well, tulpamancy is also about changing your definition of self, and tends to change it to where you are an entity inside the mind instead of the mind

8:48 PM

So you are essentially redefining self and leaving things out of it

That's simply human

entertain,me 😎

I know.me best

Lets say you start hearing a voice in your head, and it starts talking to you... Would that voice be "you"?

I still struggle with definition of self, because it does change when you’re not the only one in your brain

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

Lets say you start hearing a voice in your head, and it starts talking to you... Would that voice be "you"?

Yeah, the "unconscious"

berockly (TTG)

Well, tulpamancy is also about changing your definition of self, and tends to change it to where you are an entity inside the mind instead of the mind

Tewi: For the record, my host came to this conclusion and model of identity before tulpamancy/being plural. Because the default view of "You" being everything in your body and brain is wrong. (edited)

If your personality is so strong it can divide its still you

entertain,me 😎

Yeah, the "unconscious"

Well, if that happens to you, youll quicly stop seeing it as you as it will feel extremely unnatural to talk about that voice you dont control as "you".